By The Social Chameleon Show / February 21, 2019 July 2, 2020 Book Review: Freewill By Sam Harris Subscribe Freewill Summary A belief in free will touches nearly everything that human beings value. It is difficult to think about law, politics, religion, public policy, intimate relationships, morality—as well as feelings of remorse or personal achievement—without first imagining that every person is the true source of his or her thoughts and actions. And yet the facts tell us that free will is an illusion. In this enlightening book, Sam Harris argues that this truth about the human mind does not undermine morality or diminish the importance of social and political freedom, but it can and should change the way we think about some of the most important questions in life. Sam Harris Ph.D. In Neuroscience Sam Harris is the author of five New York Times best sellers. His books include The End of Faith, Letter to a Christian Nation, The Moral Landscape, Free Will, Lying, Waking Up, and Islam and the Future of Tolerance (with Maajid Nawaz). Sam Harris, Ph.DAuthor Of Freewill Sam Harris is the author of five New York Times best sellers. His books include The End of Faith, Letter to a Christian Nation, The Moral Landscape, Free Will, Lying, Waking Up, and Islam and the Future of Tolerance (with Maajid Nawaz). The End of Faith won the 2005 PEN Award for Nonfiction. His writing and public lectures cover a wide range of topics—neuroscience, moral philosophy, religion, meditation practice, human violence, rationality—but generally focus on how a growing understanding of ourselves and the world is changing our sense of how we should live. Sam’s work has been published in more than 20 languages and has been discussed in The New York Times, Time, Scientific American, Nature, Rolling Stone, and many other publications. He has written for The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, The Economist, The Times (London), The Boston Globe, The Atlantic, and The Annals of Neurology, among others. He also hosts the Making Sense Podcast, which was selected by Apple as one of the “iTunes Best” and has won a Webby Award for best podcast in the Science & Education category. Sam received a degree in philosophy from Stanford University and a Ph.D. in neuroscience from UCLA. He has also practiced meditation for more than 30 years and has studied with many Tibetan, Indian, Burmese, and Western meditation teachers, both in the United States and abroad. Sam has created the Waking Up Course for anyone who wants to learn to meditate in a modern, scientific context. See Sams other Publications and Lectures Here Epsiode Transcripts Tyson: 00:13 welcome to the social chameleon show where it's goal to help you learn, grow and transform, into the person you want to become. It's book review time. And today free will by Sam Harris. A little bit about Sam Harris. He's author of five New York Times bestsellers including waking up at guide to spirituality without religion. His writings and public lectures covering a wide range of topics, neuroscience, meditation, moral philosophy, religion rationality, but generally focuses on how a growing understanding of ourselves and the world is changing our sense of how you should live. Sam received a degree in philosophy from Stanford University and a Ph.d. In neuroscience from UCLA. Has Participated in meditation for over 30 years and this studied with many, uh, different types of meditation teachers, uh, both here in the states and abroad. A little bit about the book free will is a brief, a brief in freewill touches, gender, excuse me, nearly everything that human beings value. Tyson: 01:10 It is difficult to think about law, politics, religion, public policy, intimate relationships, morality as well as feelings of remorse or personal achievement without first imagining that every person is the true source of his or her thoughts and actions. And yet the facts tell us that free will is an illusion. In this enlightening book, Sam Harris argues that this truth about the human mind is not undermine morality or diminish the importance of social and political freedom, but it should. It can and should change the way we think about some of the most important questions in life. This is a weird book My friend! Ransom: 01:51 Yeah, I, you know, I'm not, I'm not sure I liked it. They, you're like, I didn't, I didn't really like it that much. I know you're like hypo about Sam Harris and everything, but Tyson: 01:59 I'm the, I like Sam Harris. I like, uh, he challenges a lot of things. You think in our assumptions you have and I love his meditation APP. I think it was a really good job. Ransom: 02:08 Yeah, I definitely think this book challenge a lot. Me challenged me to get through it. As a matter of fact, Tyson: 02:15 it's too big. It was a short little like one hour audio book. So Ransom: 02:18 yeah, I don't, I don't know if I could stomach the rest of it. I mean don't get me wrong. Uh, it definitely has a strong opening I'm sure like causes you to challenge and think about like, wait, Whoa, what's happening? Like, um, and then from there like it gets good. Like I like the beginning of it. I actually listened to the sample of this one versus, you know, some of his other ones like lying and waking up. And for some reason my free little chose me to pick this book illusion because after finishing it I was like, I really didn't want to read that book. Um, it's kind of, but it definitely got some good concept of sitting there. I don't know. What did you, what did you take away guess here? Sam Harris Fan, but Tyson: 03:00 I was at Harris Fan. This topic, it, it hurts my brain. I say you look like you're struggling right now. It hurts my brain. Like the, the first time I heard about this at all was in his meditation out and he's got these little lessons and it was like free will. And I was like, oh, okay. So listen to it. I'm like, you're a crackpot homie. Ransom: 03:26 Okay. I'm not the only one. Tyson: 03:30 You made me thinking I'm delusional. I'm like, I am actually Sam, I am, you had me up until this point, but you had me here. Yeah, you had me a freewill. I mean, wow. I was like, and then, and then I listened to as a two part thing and in the second part in really the second part was like, I started like thinking about said, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, wait a second here. Like, well was like, the thing I really liked about it was, it kind of opened my eyes to the whole concept was, and which made me want to read the book to get a little bit more into it. Oh, okay. Okay. It was like, um, you know, we, we don't choose anything. We have no control over anything. You know, and I've heard this a little bit before, you know, I, I, you know, maybe any guys ever heard that Gabby talk like, you know, we don't choose anything. Tyson: 04:10 We don't choose who our parents are, where we were born, all of these things, no choice of ours, ours at own 5 million Hawaiian or something. I forget what the odds are, whatever. Like I think, I think I've heard Gary be something like a trillion to one or something like that. I think some different things out there, but nevertheless, like you and I have not chosen the color of our skin where we were born and where we grew up. Poor. But like, and I, and then it's like any starts to go say you know about and he's like, you know the, and the same for everybody else and it's like you've got to have compassion for them. Like their circumstances is the luck that they have. Like you were in that same, you wear that same person, you would have the same exact luck. And it's like as I'm thinking like, you know what, I'll all right. I think, I think I see where this is kind of headed and it was like to be sympathetic to the person I was a homeless person or the drug or whatever, you know, whatever it is. It's like, well your neighbor and say that's just my, has nothing to do with you necessarily. That's just the luck of the draw you got. Ransom: 05:05 Right. Yeah. But I mean that, that's the same time like I guess maybe cause I'm a poker player like it, I mean yes the hand that you have matters, but like, yeah, it's about how you play that hand. Write this book to me just gets like facetious. Is this like, you know, well you don't have any control over that. And like if you know the thoughts that you're thinking right now, like I just came to you, I don't know where out of the blue light come on and like how, how like how far are we going to go down the rabbit hole? Like to see that you absolutely have absolutely zero, no control over your life like that. Yeah, I don't know. That's a bit far fetched for me. Tyson: 05:42 I think. I think more more of what it's about is it's, it's the lack of choices you really kind of do have in the things that you have choices for. The thoughts you think of our somebody else or environmental or, or past experiences like these shaped Ransom: 05:58 the thoughts you currently have. You know what I mean? Like you know, like as you were saying, like I, I'm a firm believer that we don't control everything in our lives for sure. Um, you know, and just to put it out there, cause Sam Harris did put it in there about existentialism is like, you know, you have the opportunity, you have the choice to choose what meaning this action Jen has right. For your life. Right? It's like they happened to you. You can be a victim or you can be a survivor, like to choose that. But you know, Sam Harris goes even further in this book to say, well, did you really choose that? Like what thought, you know, what constituted that thought? Like did that thought, did you really choose a thought or did it just randomly appear in your head? Like, come on. Yeah, that's the one thing I just, I didn't like about the book is there, there's never any conclusion, there's never any strategy or, or, or, or, or, or any methodology to like, you know, like, uh, I guess direct your, your, your freewill or direct your, your yourself, the way you want your brain to react or stuff like that. Ransom: 07:02 Like, I mean, civilization is, discontent was similar but it just didn't facetious Dodd till it like, oh, you know, like at the end of the book he's like, Oh, I'm going to just say whatever I want for the rest of this book. Ransom: 07:17 Why around it and not an elephant? And if I decided to switch to talking about it and often now did I really choose that? Like, God, it's like throw the book forever. Like come on. It's like, what the heck? But I mean both in, in the, um, there is some validation to it. I guess I'm not so much in disagreement with the premise of the book and um, you know, the fact that we don't choose a lot of things and factors in our life and those outside circumstances are kind of what shape us and make us or allow us to make the decisions that we make today. You know, the decisions that we make today are based on a lot of things that are not within our control. Like I get that, but at the same time I just, maybe I'm just more in disagreement because I just want to be a positive person out there and just, I fail to believe, I choose not to believe I use my own free will, not to believe that, um, you know, that we have absolutely no control over anything in our lives. Ransom: 08:19 Like that's just, I dunno, that's just kind of, that's kind of, that's the stuff that I, I, that that makes it hard to grasp. It's like, okay, things happened in my life that shaped the, the, the, the choices that popped into my head now or, or the, the things that pop into my head now. But you know, where does that stop? And we're, we're, we're, can I intervene and where can I go? Where does it begin? And US too. And I guess just to give people a little background, I, but I know we just kind of jumped into our opinion about it and was a book is really moving in the fact that it does talk about some strong copics like, um, you know, it as an example, there's like, you know, Horatio's crimes being committed at the beginning of the book and then here's Sam Harris and saying, oh, well it wasn't really this guy's fault. And you like, know that you get taken back by that. Ooh, Tyson: 09:12 yeah. But if you start to think about, even in his story, he's like, the guy was like, why did you burn down the house? That and not let the kids go is a guy. I don't know. I never, I never thought about it Ransom: 09:20 or the concern, you know, it's like wow. And then like, um, you know, I guess getting back to like he kind of, he gets onto this rant about all these other things like I know and I, when I heard you say he had like the Phd and like, yeah I was okay, that makes sense. Cause like he talks a lot of academic stuff and then it talks about theology. It talks about being compatible list and like existentialism and fatalism. I don't really know, I guess the full context of those words and or what it is. And he even talks about like being a libertarian but not in the political sense, like philosophical sense, you know, again, academic words that I really just know the surface all the, and I don't really know versus like civilization is discontent. Like, you know, I knew kind of what it was talking about cause I took a psychology class. Ransom: 10:09 But in any case, um, you know, he brings out those other five, Kate says, right, of like in the case that a male points have gone out of female, pulls the trigger and kills her. Right. And like he goes through all of the different scenarios and I guess the one that kind of for me is like, the key point of this book is like, okay, this male, he is an adult male. He had a good upbringing, right? He was raised in good neighborhood, he had very good parents. Um, but when they did a brain scan, right, they did the MRI or the cat scan of his brain, they found a large tumor, right? That was in the area that was affecting his behavior. It's like, you know, caused him to, you know, go off the chain and like when I hear that example, then the book kind of comes together and it's like, I think, I think I know what he's trying to say is like when you see a brain tumor, like you can kind of use that as an excuse, right? Ransom: 11:00 Or that's when you start to feel like, oh wow, like this guy was in the right direction and he was headed the right way and now all of a sudden has this brain tumor and that's brain tumors. What caused him to kill this girl? It's like, you know, it's like he really wasn't in control, right. Of his actions at the time, you know, but at that point, and they sign goes on further to say like, that's clear cut evidence. Yet the fact that somebody was raped and abused as a child is not as clear cut as a brain tumor were being shown on Mri or something like that. Like I was like, I was like, cool. I was like, that's Kinda, yeah, Tyson: 11:38 I heard a similar story. I forget the guy's name. Uh, he killed like his wife and like his kids and like China's neighbors and they, I guess later when he was interviewed, it's like, why does it, it's like, I don't know, like the whole, like I'm holding the gun in my wife's head, I'm like, what the fuck I doing? And he shot her is like, what the fuck was that? What the fuck is happening? Why am I killing his liberal? I can't stop myself. And then later in the day they did a brain scan and he had a tumor in that whatever region that controlled that. And it's like weird that like he's like actively doing it, saying, what the fuck am I doing? Bang. Like why did I just do that? Like it's just a gut just goes to show like so many things factor into the decisions we make and the choice that makes a choice that makes a choice that yeah, it's, it's crazy. Yeah. Ransom: 12:27 You know, I'm just getting back to kind of the things that's in this book. I mean, again, if you're the kind of person that like this kind of topic would bother you. I mean like maybe this might not be the book for you. Um, but if you like things that are facetious and just kind of go like round and round, like, oh, why am I thinking this thought that I really think like, ah, like you might not like, you might like this book, don't know, whatever. Tyson: 12:49 I don't know. I like, well I got, you know, obviously from my bias I like things that challenge my, my opinions or my thoughts or whatever it is. And this is one of those things. And then like, it's funny like if you stopped to kind of just just just do it and you just just start to think like, oh look at that thought just popped in my head. Like I was like I was telling you before we jumped on it, I was driving and I was just thinking in my head about moving my microphone here. There I was like, and then I start thinking like where did that come from? Like why did that thought just appeared in my head at this moment, at this time, like come from. Ransom: 13:21 That kind of brings up just like the chicken and the egg thing, right? You know, in the book he's trying to make an argument, right? That your thought is not your thought. Like when it comes to the word conscious being whatever that may be, or if it comes from your soul on cool, whatever it is, like you don't really have control of it comes to you yet I'll say it has to have an origin. That origin is you, no matter whether it's in the fucking metaphysical world or whether it's in this physical world. The fact that you can now think of it right? Cause like he went into the whole thing where he's like, people were in the MRI machine, right? And there are kicking things and like is it based off on after a few tests they could actually decide what he said like 700 milliseconds before they knew what was going to be and they could see it on the Mri scan and he's like, if we had this technology today, it's like we could read your mind. I was like, Oh this guy like come on like, Tyson: 14:15 well even here, what was he saying to? There's another one that we're like choosing a button or something that, and they could, they could, they could, um, predict what button either pushed up to 10 seconds before the person actually pushed that button. I don't know if it was 10 seconds, I want to say it was like, what's the milliseconds? I want to say it was like a 10th of a second. So what that maybe that's what it was. Ransom: 14:35 Who knows, who cares right off the, like they could predict. But again like you know what I mean? Like that's just the timing of things is, yeah, it's like that choice is still made by something in your brain, Indian brains, spiritual world, whatever that con that constitutes you and you want so I don't know, I'm not in full agreement with that. I think that's a miss because it's conscious and it comes to your thought like you don't control or what comes to your mind for say like there is something behind you that is making you do that. One of the overarching ideas listen, like these things just come to you like stop pretending your thinking them. You're just observing. You're just an observer there. I just felt I still want to believe that it's, dude, that's the thing. It's like it's hard to believe but like when you start to like actually break it down to those, I can think about it. Ransom: 15:27 You're like, I got there. Like where did that come from? Why do I suddenly want chocolate peanut butter ice cream? Like I don't even like what the fuck. I don't even know where that came from. Like why? I don't know. Man. I, I again, I just, I'm not, I don't belong to the Sam Harris called. I Don want to partake in any of this, the thought process and a thought exercise of saying, listen, shit happens. There's luck, there's choices I made yesterday that influence decisions today. And I've just got to be like, you know, kind of like okay with it and understand it and try and shape what I had and shaped my actions the best I can. So the next time my brain automatically is going to decide more in line, but I want to do and want to be as a person. Right. And I think that that comes from like his other books of sec about waking up and all of that kind of stuff. Ransom: 16:20 Cause I didn't get that from this book. This book is basically then I control. So too bad. Oh, well, like I say, I really think that the, uh, the lessons in the meditation App, there's a freewill one and two actually are a better representation of this idea then this book is, yeah, and that's, well, because it ends in a positive light. The way he just ended the book is just like, now you're just being facetious and you'd just be, yeah, you're being a jackass. Like just, I don't want to ever, and I don't really want to read wake, you know, I don't want to be, I really enjoy waking up in the rest of your, your books. Like forget it. It's like he wasn't like that. And then waking up like wait way better vibe even in lying, not that bad. Again, I think he's doing all of that to prove to try and prove this argument that free will is an illusion. Ransom: 17:16 There are a lot of things that are outside of your control that shape the choices and decisions that you think you're making right now. But again, I do like the positive light that you're coming from. You know, basically pull them out of the darkness again on this one. But uh, that's what I do man. Hey is that many dogs? I mean it wasn't as bad as 12 rules that are like you just start reading that chapter. Don't finish it. Yeah, yeah. Nightmares at all rules. We'll take you down some dark deep holes. And this one was this more of like, all right dude. Well okay I get you get a point. Like he over, it was overbearing on that. Thank God it wasn't like some four hour long book you it just been like point well I mean I definitely think I would've appreciated more of like him going more into like, okay so in theology or like he talks briefly about being a compatible this and then keep him from them multiple times as book, but like it didn't really go over like what it is and what's behind it. Like I probably wouldn't look in the scholastic person. I am a little bit more data on that. Tyson: 18:15 Yeah. And that's what I was kind of looking for it too. I was waiting for that like that. Let's bring it all together and this is how you can manipulate or train or or conjure up better thoughts. That's what I was waiting for and I was like, and the end, I was like Ransom: 18:36 wasted like two hours of my life. Tyson: 18:38 I was like well at least I read it an hour long booking to speed cause that wasn't very fucking long. I was like, I just left me. I just had more questions. I still have more questions. I don't know how many times I've listened to the book. I think at least five or six times and I've listened to those two episodes in a meditation APP at least 10 times. The second one is like my favorite. It's like five minutes long and it's just so, and it's five minutes. It's so, it's so condensed and it's soul like to the point and matter of fact and it's just like that one is so good. If as an introduction to this topic that's just perfect. Like what he goes through to Asia is just perfect. You guys, especially the first two minutes, you can just stop at the two minute mark and just, and you're good. You're like, I get it. Got It. Yeah, Ransom: 19:22 we're good. Yeah. He probably did all of that after he wrote the book and yeah, I think it came well after the book, a hindsight thing. But I mean definitely it does kind of bring up the question of, you know, do we really have free will, you know, and all the things that he talks about luck in his book too. It's like, yeah, you know, the question of a person's morality is like, that person has the ability to be in such high moral standing because they had a lot of opportunity and they're like, usually they're raised by a good family that, you know what I mean? All of these things that are in alignment, right. Or, you know, however it was they came into being, they share a similar idea or they share the similar concepts of everybody else in the world. You know, that's not necessarily anything to do with you. Yeah. Tyson: 20:12 Yeah. Nothing, nothing at all. And that's the kind of thing that I liked her, like, you know, but in a challenging way because the way I think about things and why I believe it was like, listen, it doesn't matter. These things that I couldn't control, what matters is what I do from here on out. Like I couldn't control my parents, my environment, the, the amount of money they had and the upbringing and the lessons and whatever, education, whatever, and no control from here on out. It's all me. Ransom: 20:37 You know what I mean? Again, the book doesn't really close that way. Tyson: 20:40 It, yeah. But that's how I always thought. Ransom: 20:43 Yeah. If you'd have a lens at wish to read this book and kind of how to go it and what's it, I think that that's definitely one of the things that, um, that you should, you know, go with the book because you know, he does actually think about when you take away the fact that people don't actually have the ability to choose what they're doing or how they're doing it, that's when you can kind of focus on what matters. Like you can stop hating this serial killer because he's rate sin kills children. Like you just, you know, then you'd begin to start making risk assessments. Like, okay, let's take the emotions out of it. We know that this person has a behavioral tendency to do these kinds of things. So you know, let's take a risk assessment that separate them from the rest of society that's put them in a corner and you know what I mean? Ransom: 21:29 And that kind of stuff. And you know, he does also bring up good points about like how to punish this individual because take away the fact that they really don't have the choice to do what they're doing. You know, then the death sentence kind of seems like a steep, steep slope for them right. Yet, you know, everybody can say like, Hey, he, he, he killed and murdered kids. Like, you know, like, that's, that's wrong. Like, well, at the same time, if that person doesn't know that it's wrong, right. During the, not necessarily the insanity plea, but if that was, it is technically and proven to be insane. Like they don't know any better. And interesting. Yeah, Tyson: 22:11 that's the thing I think he talks about in the, in the, in the dust and the medication that he was saying that like understanding this concept and it's, it's like the, the um, the gateway to empathy and letting go of your ego and being sympathetic to everybody and everything around you. And I was like, man, that's, that's tight. Like I liked that like the, you know, understanding like listen, this isn't anybody's fault per se. Like you don't have a lot to do with it and that's, that's cool. Like you had a better break than I did and you know, be sympathetic and empathetic to your neighbors. Ransom: 22:49 Yeah, I'm glad you have that APP and all of that. Cause I just read the book and I'm like, hmm. Tyson: 22:55 I kept, I kept meaning to tell you like to check it out. But I, I was just like my freewill didn't allow it. I don't know Ransom: 23:02 John Opening, Aloe May, maybe it panned out pretty good for his episode cause we got that, you know that duality about it and like garbage you Sam Harris. I like this guy. I didn't help them off off, but seriously, I don't know whatever. But um, yeah, but nonetheless though, I mean it is a definitely an interesting book and the fact, you know, um, especially a lot of the scenarios he brings up, it's like damn, like did that I really have a choice to do what he did or I'm like, Ooh, I don't know. Um, but at the same time, um, just kind of, you know, when he goes on that facetious rant about, you know, Ho did that thought really come to your head or you know, La La, you just kinda got to put that in your back pocket and be like, all right Sam, are you there? Tyson: 23:50 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to take it with a grain of salt I think. I think he's trying to be joking or lighthearted about it or whatever or from his tone that he's talking like it's not really com does not come off that way. Yeah. It's like a, you should come down off that moral high ground a little bit. Let's come, let's come on down here. Come on down Ransom: 24:11 like dinner from schmucks. Like I have mine control, control, control. The brain controls the mind spot. Come on. Really. Tyson: 24:27 Ah Jeez. That's funny. There's this book gets you kind of like, it messes with your little and it makes you think a little, I dunno. I think it's fun. How could yourself and challenge yourself challenge your beliefs, challenge your assumptions? I think we got it. Especially, you know, we got to challenge these things we believe and it's like, well I don't, I think maybe it's the APP or whatever he talks about like, um, you know, like if, if you know, if you believe, you know, if you can't believe that two plus two is four, if you believe it's five, lead you to believe these things that are wrong. Like the world is just kind of fuck with you all day long. Like you got to, you got to challenge what's true and what's real and not when it was delusional, you know? And I think I like these kinds of things, that child to try to challenge that and make you think about things and you know, try to stay away from as much as I can. And that's confirmation bias and all these different things. You know what I mean? Like more of what I like and more of what I already know and I don't know. I like to try and break away from that. Ransom: 25:25 Well, I mean at the same time, this book also kind of reminds me of like uh, one of my micro biology professors, right? He was like, it's like talking about like mosquitoes and stuff and talking about malaria. And I was like, where's this guy going with this conversation? He's like, well, you see it in order for a malaria to survive. It's like, it's a very interesting process. The mosquito actually has to bite a human host that human hosts has to carry the parasite so that it can go through its reproduction cycle or whatever the case might be. And then from there another mosquito has to come bite the human pickup, the biproduct that's been sitting in the human for so long and then go into this new mosquito and then this mosquito, the, the byproduct of this has to live inside the mosquito for so many days. And then that mosquito has to go to another human and injected into another human so that it can continue the cycle. It's like, what are the odds of that happening? How does a mosquito know that it needs to bite the human so that the next process can begin? He's like, he's like, is the malaria controlling the mosquito? Could it be that the free will of the mosquito? Actually three, we'll have the malaria, but it does the malaria really know that it doesn't have freewill at all? Ransom: 26:54 I don't know. I've heard stuff similar about, ah, your gut bacteria and the micro biome tells your brain what it wants and then you crave that. Right. And like, you know, but, um, I mean, I'm just saying, but that's just the kind of stuff that, you know, there are so many forces that are, you know, at work with within your mind. Right. And Ethan, Sam Harris talks about like, we have more microbes, right? We have more microbes involved with our body than we actually have human cells. Right. That's just being a, we're actually a similar bacteria then anything. Yeah. Well, whatever you want to call it, and Mike, Right, microbes, bacteria, whatever the case might be. But you know, it's just like there's more foreign things in our body then there are actually things that are, you know, are us per se and like, you know, there's, there's more at work to the choices that you make, um, other than just what you think. So definitely this, this book does kind of ring above that. So that was kind of cool. Tyson: 27:55 I like it. I just, I think this is a good opportunity to reevaluate how you think about things, how you're making choices and how you look down or not on others. That's my big takeaway from this book. Ransom: 28:08 All right. On. Cool. Cool. Alright. Tyson: 28:11 Anything else that does your freewill or lack of freewill compel you to have? Any other thoughts? Ransom: 28:18 Yeah, you know, I just, I think I'm, I'm glad to be done with this book. Are you going to enjoy the fact that it's offered? I don't know. Tyson: 28:27 Um, good things of imposing my lack of freewill on you. It's all right. And you know you guys are as free as you want to be. Head over to the social media that show slash pygmy and get into this month's giveaway. We're giving away episode. Was it 42 gen free? The generation freedom movie went man, whatever resources and things they have there to movie in and of itself is a great thing. If you're looking to start a micro business, a side hustle, whatever it be. Listen, a few extra dollars a month can be a big difference in most everybody's life had over at social media shows us picked me, get into this month's giveaway. We're giving away five copies of this movie to five people. Use your freewill or like a freeway or whatever. How you believe. Add over there and enter to win and maybe you'll get lucky. I'll link to this book in the show notes at social media that show if you guys are interested in having a little mind melt a on this book. Yeah, Ransom: 29:26 yeah. I mean he's also got other ones out there, right? The other one's a Saturday for lying. Waking off those. Yeah. Tyson: 29:31 Those two are I think are really good. They weren't that facetious condescending kind of thing. Waking up was, I thought it was really, really good. It talks a lot about meditation. It's like a deluxe in his journey from, this is stupid too. I need to make an APP. And you know, from when he was a little kid, I think it was a, it was a teenager, I want to say 16 or something that he went on his first meditative retreat and he's like, why do you morons do this? This is stupid. And then his journey through, you know, the worlds and, and stuff and experimenting with, um, silicide been, you know, that magic mushrooms Mtma and, and all these different types of things like that. Even talking about making sure his kids tried and stuff. Very interesting. Are there, take it from someone who only read the book and that's it. Tyson: 30:16 Like you might want to get that content on there. It might make you have a better feeling walking away from this book. Just, yeah. And I'll, I'll link to that APP, uh, waking up course. I know. Waking up.com. Excuse me, and you can find it on android and Ios swell, but I will link to it and showed it to be as interesting chicken and out. Then this week's challenge, I say, get this book and challenge your assumptions of freewill. At the least. Spend a few minutes observing your thoughts and see what comes and goes. See if you can make yourself think a thought. Speaker 1: 30:56 Okay. Tyson: 30:57 That's it. Yes. The pause, the pause there was very intentional. What thoughts are you thinking right now? Speaker 1: 31:02 Hmm. Tyson: 31:03 Because the final thought is already predetermined by you. Not going to say what the final thought is. It's just going to come to you from what I'm saying and that is, and if this is something maybe your friends might get a kick out of or or, or the latest fund little debate, share with them and over and use that freewill of yours from my imposing it on you to like review, share. This is the best way to support the show. 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